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Do you call 811 before a pour?

The short answer

Yes. We place the locate request for the digging on our own jobs, before anything breaks ground, and we wait for the operators to answer it. The two states count the wait differently. Virginia's three working days come off the operators' own marking deadline, and North Carolina's three full working days are counted back from the start date you give. The clock running out is not what lets a shovel in.

Who the law puts the ticket on

The short version of the law is that the duty follows the dirt rather than the trade. Whoever makes or begins the excavation owes the locate request, and Virginia's only homeowner carve-out reaches hand digging with nonmechanized tools by the owner or the occupant. A crew we send is never inside that, because we are neither. You are not inside it either the moment you put a trencher, a two man auger or a mini excavator on the job yourself.

We are not going to work the statutes twice on this site. Both dig laws section by section, with the carve-outs, the enforcement path and the hand digging duties around a marked line, are on our 811 and utility locates page. This page is about how a ticket fits a pour.

What we do is the part worth having in writing. When our crew is the one opening the ground, we put the locate request in ourselves. Setting the trailer pump on the drive is not excavation. The hole the concrete goes into was, and whoever opened that hole owed the ticket. Under section 56-265.18 a Virginia ticket also names the person the dig is for, so yours carries your name and you can ask to see that one went in for your address.

Three working days, counted from two different places

Both states land near three working days and they get there from opposite ends, which changes what anybody can promise you. In Virginia the three days are the operators' own deadline to answer, running forward from the day the request goes in. In North Carolina the three days are your notice, counted backward from the start date you write on the ticket. Give North Carolina a start date two weeks out and the wait can run to that date rather than three days, though G.S. 87-122(c)(4) lets work begin sooner once every operator has responded with an appropriate positive response.

Working day is a defined term in both and neither counts a weekend or a state holiday. Virginia 811 posts the holidays it skips, and the dates move from one year to the next, so on a job running into a holiday week we count off that list and not off a printed calendar.

Watch for the wrong version of this, because it errs toward digging too soon, and that is how lines get hit. Anybody who tells you Virginia is a 48 hour notice state has read a floor written for something else as though it were a notice period. What that floor is actually under is on the statute page linked above.

What actually clears a shovel to go in

On the morning of a dig, the count of days since the call is not what we check. Three days going by does not clear you to dig. In both states what normally lets a shovel in is the response coming back, operator by operator, through the notification center's own system, so we look at what has answered before anybody starts.

Where an operator has gone quiet the two states part company, and North Carolina gives an excavator a route out that Virginia does not write. Which route applies, what it asks for and what it does about a visible meter or pedestal in the work area is statute rather than scheduling, and the statute page carries it. On our jobs the practical answer is the same either way, which is that we do not open ground on an unanswered ticket.

How long a ticket stays good, and the two states do not match

Virginia gives a ticket 15 working days of life. North Carolina gives one 28 calendar days, counted from the work start date on the notice. The numbers differ and so do the units, and neither converts into the other, so a crew working both sides of the line keeps two separate counts.

The failure mode on concrete work is undramatic and it is the one that actually happens. Forms go up over the paint, stone goes down on it, a week of rain takes the rest, and the schedule slips behind the plant. Once the paint cannot be read, Virginia expects a call to the center however much time the ticket has left, and it counts that call as an extension. On a footing job that matters more than the original call did, because the trench is often opened days after the paint went down.

Be careful with the North Carolina figure if you are reading up on your own job. That number changed, and the notification center's own older handout is still posted with the one it replaced on it. Which document says what and when it moved is worked through on the statute page rather than here.

And a ticket covers a dig, not a property. Virginia 811's own FAQ says a new ticket is needed each time you want to dig, because erosion and plant growth can shift where lines sit and utilities may have added lines since the last marks.

What that looks like on your job

Sometimes the first thing that happens on a site is a can of white paint. Where the dig area cannot be described precisely enough in the ticket itself, both states ask the excavator to premark the dig in white, Virginia before the ticket goes in where that is practical, and North Carolina before the operator performs the locate. White on the ground before anybody else arrives is a normal step and not a sign that something is wrong.

Before the first shovel there is a short verification the Virginia rules spell out: be at the correct location, check the marks against what the positive response system says came back, and look for unmarked lines to the best of your ability. That happens the same morning the rest of prep day happens, before sod comes off.

Working a machine in close to a mark carries duties of its own, and they are not the same duty in both directions, because a trench crossing a line and a trench running alongside one owe different things. That is law rather than scheduling and it is written out on the statute page. What it means for your date is only this: a footing trench near a marked line is slower than one in open yard, and we say so when we quote the day rather than after.

If you want the wider picture of what gets built on top of all this, the footings side of the work is where it lands.

If something gets hit anyway

If something does get hit, nobody patches a line quietly and pours over it. The operator gets told immediately, and nothing is backfilled around that line until the operator has repaired it or cleared us to backfill. Where the damage releases electricity or any flammable, toxic or corrosive gas or liquid, or endangers life, health or property, North Carolina's statute requires immediate notice to emergency responders including 911, the notification center and the operator, and on either side of the line that call comes before any call to us.

None of this is a reason to dread a pour. It is the reason the ticket goes in early, and the reason we would rather hear what is buried on the place while the date is still being picked than while a truck is on the road.

Which lines a free ticket actually reaches, and which ones nobody is coming to mark at all, is a different question from this one, and the answer to it sits under who marks utilities before digging. The statutes behind everything above sit on the 811 and utility locates page. If your question is really about permits rather than digging, the Virginia permits page is the better starting point.

Good questions

Do you call 811 before a pour?

Yes, for the digging on our own jobs, and the request goes in before anything breaks ground. The duty follows whoever opens the ground. In Virginia the one exemption written for homeowners is hand digging by whoever owns or lives on the place, and no crew you hire is either of those. We place the ticket and we wait for the operators to answer before a shovel moves.

I am cutting the footing trench myself with a machine. Do I still need a ticket?

In Virginia, yes. The carve-out there reaches hand digging with nonmechanized tools by an owner or occupant, so a trencher or a mini excavator puts you outside it and the ticket is yours to place. North Carolina's is wider for an owner working on their own single-family property, provided a machine stays clear of every operator's right-of-way, easement and permitted use, and narrower than it sounds, because it lifts the notice requirement only and not the rules about how you dig once the marks are down. The sections on both sides are on the statute page.

The stone is down and the paint is gone. Is the ticket still good?

Call it in rather than guessing. Paint that time, weather or construction has worn away is its own reason to contact the center in Virginia, and that contact extends the ticket. Virginia also wants a re-mark asked for before the window closes rather than after it has. If the job has slipped a long way, check the date as well as the paint, because the two states measure the life of a ticket in different units.

How does the locate fit with scheduling a pour?

It runs backwards from the response, not from the call. The ticket goes in, the operators answer, the trench opens, and the ticket still has to be alive on the day that trench is dug. That is why the locate gets talked about when the date is being picked instead of the week of the pour. Call 276-733-3750 with the address and we will sort the order out with you.

Want the locate handled before your date is set?

Call 276-733-3750 with the address and what you want poured. We place the request for the digging we do and work the schedule around what comes back.

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